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      Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager

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      Reply #14168: Oct 02, 2017 10:12:51 am
      I've
      Good posts from Belly and Mick.

      Was thinking about this whilst painting the little un’s room On Saturday. It’s funny isn’t it how quickly things turn.

      I was listening to some of the Echo’s “Blood Red” podcasts from start of season in gym the other night.

      They went from Watford and “same old Liverpool flaws” to Hoffenheim and “we should fear nobody” to the draw and “we have a chance to really do something” to City blah blah blah.......

      I still don’t think we’re as bad as we’ve looked since the last international break......but doubt is a parasite and the team and (dare I say it the boss) are afflicted right now.

      This time the break might just be the best thing that could happen.

      I've always not liked the international breaks because they come around at a time when we are in form but this time around I welcome it..

      Hopefully refocus at get back on track..
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      Reply #14169: Oct 02, 2017 11:36:10 am
      I think problem is klopp should got rid of Henderson few more them in summer be ruthlessness he need players like Steven Gerrard won't be afraid tell players off in game get in people faces in match too many nice guys in team
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      Reply #14170: Oct 02, 2017 11:41:19 am
      He's not had two full seasons and only four transfer windows.

      2015-2016 Jan
      2016-2017 Aug, Jan
      2017-20?? Aug

      He inherited a mess of a team, totally shell-shocked and devoid of confidence. It's going to take a long time before we are continually challenging. That said, I am starting to think Klopp isn't as good a manager I first thought he was. Hopefully, it's just getting to grips with the intensity of the Premier Leauge. Hopefully.
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      Reply #14171: Oct 02, 2017 11:41:47 am
      I think problem is klopp should got rid of Henderson few more them in summer be ruthlessness he need players like Steven Gerrard won't be afraid tell players off in game get in people faces in match too many nice guys in team
      Hopefully Keita replaces Henderson
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      Reply #14172: Oct 02, 2017 11:48:28 am
      Interesting

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      Reply #14173: Oct 02, 2017 11:49:43 am
      Jürgen only has to look at Pep at City to see that sometimes you have to admit you are wrong and make a change. since they dropped Brava they have been solid at the back, which means the forwards are under less pressure to score 5 a game.

      Jürgen get a keeper and a centre half in Janaury and we may just be able to make top 5-6
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      Reply #14174: Oct 02, 2017 11:58:27 am
      Jürgen only has to look at Pep at City to see that sometimes you have to admit you are wrong and make a change. since they dropped Brava they have been solid at the back, which means the forwards are under less pressure to score 5 a game.

      Jürgen get a keeper and a centre half in Janaury and we may just be able to make top 5-6

      The PL is sh*t for the most part we will finish at least 6th with the current squad.

      The issue is we HAVE to finish top 4 or else win the EL.

      This will be highly unlikely if we don't strengthen the defence in January.
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      Reply #14175: Oct 02, 2017 11:58:37 am
      Jürgen only has to look at Pep at City to see that sometimes you have to admit you are wrong and make a change. since they dropped Brava they have been solid at the back, which means the forwards are under less pressure to score 5 a game.

      Jürgen get a keeper and a centre half in Janaury and we may just be able to make top 5-6

      City spent 200 million on a defence.
      Unless LFC actually address that area of the first team it doesn't matter what manager is at the club.
      Mentally weak players will remain mentally weak players.
      There are too many of them in the first team.
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      Reply #14176: Oct 02, 2017 12:05:12 pm
      The PL is sh*t for the most part we will finish at least 6th with the current squad.

      The issue is we HAVE to finish top 4 or else win the EL.

      This will be highly unlikely if we don't strengthen the defence in January.

      Have you already decided that we won't qualify for the KO stages of the CL? :)
      The team is definitely better that Spartak and Maribor.
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      Reply #14177: Oct 02, 2017 12:09:01 pm
      Have you already decided that we won't qualify for the KO stages of the CL? :)
      The team is definitely better that Spartak and Maribor.

      No we will probably qualify and go out in the last 16.

      But at least EL is a route back in to the CL if we dont finish top 4.
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      Reply #14178: Oct 02, 2017 12:19:22 pm
      No we will probably qualify and go out in the last 16.

      But at least EL is a route back in to the CL if we dont finish top 4.

      If we qualify for the round of 16 and get knocked out, the EL doors are closed as teams getting knocked out in the round of 16 won't get to play in the EL. The only route back to the CL is to finish top 4. But, as it stands we are very much in the race for a top 4 finish. We need one good week to turn this all around and maybe one more good week for things to really look positive.
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      Reply #14179: Oct 02, 2017 12:24:16 pm
      If we qualify for the round of 16 and get knocked out, the EL doors are closed as teams getting knocked out in the round of 16 won't get to play in the EL. The only route back to the CL is to finish top 4. But, as it stands we are very much in the race for a top 4 finish. We need one good week to turn this all around and maybe one more good week for things to really look positive.

      Yes mate I know we EL is out of the question if we qualify for last 16 in CL.

      I think top 4 is a BIG ask this season if we don't turn our form around in the next 2 games.

      We also need to strengthen in January which I don't see happening.
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      Reply #14180: Oct 02, 2017 12:49:13 pm
      Klopp clearly has no one who tells him that our defence is shocking individually and as a unit
      klopp has no one telling him that we need a goal scorer who will score 20 a season
      klopp has no one telling him that our central midfield options are all the same type of player
      oh - and we have no leaders.

      We don't need leaders. We need more luck and that is uncontrolable. That goal from Newcastle was offside and the equalizer of Watford as well. We'd have 16 points now, be #3 and nobody would complain. If I take myself back from being a LFC fan that is pissed we are not leading the league, I don't see fundamental problems, even though I have to admit I like a different football philosophy (more vertical, anti-ball-possession). I think Klopp has to continue and not get impatient himself.
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      Reply #14181: Oct 02, 2017 12:57:53 pm
      We don't need leaders. We need more luck and that is uncontrolable. That goal from Newcastle was offside and the equalizer of Watford as well. We'd have 16 points now, be #3 and nobody would complain. If I take myself back from being a LFC fan that is pissed we are not leading the league, I don't see fundamental problems, even though I have to admit I like a different football philosophy (more vertical, anti-ball-possession). I think Klopp has to continue and not get impatient himself.

      You don't think our defence is a fundamental problem?
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      Reply #14182: Oct 02, 2017 01:20:12 pm
      This is a side that Klopp could play just with players he inherited (I've kept it to players who are fit hence why there's no Clyne or Lallana and excluded those who Klopp handed debuts to like Arnold and Woodburn)

      Mignolet

      Flanagan Gomez Lovren Moreno

      Milner Henderson Can

      Firmino Sturridge Coutinho

      In comparison this is what a Liverpool side of Jürgen Klopp's transfers could look like as early as January, if the Keita deal goes through.

      Karius

      Chamberlain Matip Klavan Robertson

      Grujic Keita Wijnaldum

      Salah Solanke Mane

      The problems that we had in the team he inherited are the same problems we have in his side of transfers. Goalkeeper is a bag of nerves, defense is nowhere near solid, midfield is too weak and the front three are lethal one game, wasteful the next.
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      Reply #14183: Oct 02, 2017 01:29:06 pm
      He look like we need 7 more players get rid of 5 or 6 players just not good enough l hope klopp sort out mess but of he start next season with same cbacks and does not get in good forward score 20 goals season he won't last here too long
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      Reply #14184: Oct 02, 2017 02:33:14 pm
      I still think Klopp is the right man to give us league trophy, we are just off form. It happens to every team out, we are creating chances so the goals will come but i agree on that we need to replace some players. It seems to me that Klopp wants the player he rates, and he doesnt settle for 2nd choices.
      And we have settled for 2nd choices along time now, look at old posts in the forums and you will find comments like, we need quality and not quantity, we sign players to just sign someone.

      I hate losing points, but anybody with some basic football knowledge can see that we have the right man for job and we are improving as a team. Either we can do as city, chelsea and scum and hire a manager who throws money at problems or we stick with JK.
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      Reply #14185: Oct 02, 2017 03:03:22 pm
      He look like we need 7 more players get rid of 5 or 6 players just not good enough l hope klopp sort out mess but of he start next season with same cbacks and does not get in good forward score 20 goals season he won't last here too long

      In a way, finishing 4th last year was the worst possible thing that could have happened. It papered over too many cracks that are now being exposed every time we play. We need a new spine of the team, for starters, and not one comprised of kids or players from lower table/lower league clubs. We need the best possible spine money can buy. A new first choice Goal Keeper, two new Center Backs, a defensive minded midfielder (as opposed to a dedicate defensive midfielder which we'll probably never see under Klopp), and a proper 25+ goals a season striker. We'll probably need to look to replace Coutinho as well who will be off if Barcelona come in for him again.

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      Reply #14186: Oct 02, 2017 03:46:19 pm
      Think that's putting it lightly.

      Don't think the guy ever had anything in his glass to begin with.

      Has anyone actually ever seen him say anything even remotely positive?

      or use punctuation?
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      Reply #14187: Oct 02, 2017 03:49:35 pm
      Hopefully Keita replaces Henderson

      Think he will take the Can/Gini role actually. But somebody else could.
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      Reply #14188: Oct 02, 2017 11:10:00 pm
      If it isn't broken, don't fix it !

      When are you gonna realise Jürgen, it is F***ing broken !
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      Reply #14189: Oct 03, 2017 12:17:24 am
      Quote from Robby The Z
      A lot of Germans really hate Bayern. Every club's fans will sing the bit about beating the leather pants off of Bayern. Of course that's in part because they are so big and successful, but with that has come an attitude that inspires a lot of dislike, especially for how they just buy everybody great from the other German clubs.

      It's jealousy of course.

      Bayern are one of (possibly) the best run clubs in the world, and that attracts people, be they players or coaches, even fans, and even the most loyal of the anti-Bayern crowd soon drop their moral high ground when they get a call from Sabener Strasse. The club is run by ex-players who know football inside out, where there is no issue with budgets or resources, and everything is provided for the club to succeed at home and abroad. Something with the best will in the world, you can't really say about this club.

      We have several ex-Bayern staff here, who know what we need to succeed. As for Klopp, we're halfway through a 4 year project, and he's done half the job. Unfortunately, the team is not yet ready to compete for the league title, maybe any title right now. The target for now has to be maintain a top 4 spot, which is more than achievable. 4th this year is an automatic qualification spot. Then give him a year, possibly two to work on the defending, and when he's got the players he wants, then we can realistically talk about winning the league. That's going to take time, time that unfortunately a lot of people don't seem to have, but it's time we need to provide him with. That will be the 4 years he said, and then we can judge him properly.

      Lets put things in perspective, shall we? A few years ago, we were fourth from bottom at this point, a full blown crisis. Today, we're one point off 4th. It is nothing by comparison.
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      Reply #14190: Oct 03, 2017 01:05:44 pm
      Hopefully Keita replaces Henderson
      I was hoping to replace Henderson. Had my CV typed up and everything, put drunk Sunday kick abouts on there...

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