Newcastle United vs West Brom match highlights and post match interviews

Posted on October 28th, 2012 | 111 Comments |

Highlights of this afternoon’s game between Newcastle United and West Bromwich Albion at St James’ Park.

Newcastle United v West Brom full match video.

Teams, match details and post match interviews.

Score / Goalscorers: Newcastle United 1 (Demba Ba 35, Papiss Cisse 90+3), West Brom 1 (Romelu Lukaku 55).

Teams

Newcastle United (4-4-2): Tim Krul (G), Danny Simpson (Papiss Cisse 61), Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (C), Davide Santon, Hatem Ben Arfa, James Perch, Yohan Cabaye, Jonas Gutierrez, Shola Ameobi (Gabriel Obertan 61), Demba Ba (Sammy Ameobi 73).

Subs: Steve Harper (G), Shane Ferguson, Steven Taylor, Vurnon Anita, Gabriel Obertan, Sammy Ameobi, Papiss Cisse

West Bromwich Albion (4-2-3-1): Ben Foster (G), Gabriel Tamas, Gareth McAuley, Jonas Olsson, Liam Ridgewell, Youssouf Mulumbu, James Morrison; Peter Odemwingie, Zoltan Gera (Goran Popov 88), Graham Dorrans (Marcus Rosenburg 72), Romelu Lukaku (Shane Long 65).

Subs: Luke Daniels (G), Gonzalo Jara Reyes, Goran Popov, Yassine El Ghanassy, Markus Rosenberg, Shane Long, Marc-Antoine Fortune.

Yellow cards: James Perch (44), Youssouf Mulumbu (50), Liam Ridgewell (52), Yohan Cabaye (69).

Red cards: None.

Referee: Chris Foy.

Attendance: 49,731.

Post match interviews

Post match interview with Alan Pardew.

Post match interview with Steve Clarke.

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  6. Bracing for superstorm here in the city.
    All public transport has ended this evening, expecting tide surges with the accompanied flooding, no ferrys running, most public buildings closed, as will be most private business’s.
    Our nanny mayor is again over re-acting having been blamed for lack of preperation in previous emergencies.
    Lets see?
    Just looked out, there’s no rain and little wind.
    Well stocked up with Amstel, though my fear is loss of power, i mean could you imagine drinking warm beer.
    Oh! what am i saying, you guys do it all the time.
    Kidding folks.
    Be glad when it’s over.

  7. GS – the banner adds are usually matched to your browsing habits linked to your IP address so if you view porn you get porn ads…view cars you get car ads etc..

    Anyway, I though we deserved a draw at best from this game and hope the lads are up for Anfield next week.
    It would be nice to take Liverpool apart after recent history.

  8. GS says:
    October 29, 2012 at 3:08 am

    “Why does Ed’s site have ads for slutty MILFy women and teenagers”

    It’s could be Google placing ads based on your search history GS.

    I get Lotus Elans as I’m having a mid life crisis and I’m thinking of “splashing out” though not in the same way as you, obviously. ;-)

  9. Just to test the theory I got Yard Barker Fox Sports REALTIME RUMORS, GOSSIP, OPINIONS AND HUMOR FROM THE BEST SPORTS BLOGS.

    Sheesh must get out more :(

    As for you GS, we’ll keep your dirty little secret to ourselves :)

  10. Nah, I’ve had the odd one for “Mature Dating” too on the rare occaisions I check out .co.uk, though I haven’t been looking up any “MILFs” or “GILFs” for that matter.

    Perhaps it just profiles all the viewers of that site as dirty old goats? :-)

  12. Moussa Sissoko plays as a box-to-box midfielder capable of playing in either the holding role or as an attacker. Sissoko is described as a “well-rounded central midfielder” who is “tall, rangy, and strong in the tackle”.[1] His playing style and ability have drawn comparisons with the Malian international Mahamadou Diarra and former French international Patrick Vieira.

    What do we want with another central midfielder ? Why cant we be linked with some CREATIVE players for a change ?

  13. BTW I’ve got news for Jonas.

    “JONAS GUTIERREZ believes Newcastle United must learn to “win ugly” more often if they are to become genuine contenders for the top four”

    We’ve been playing ugly since Pardwho arrived :)

  14. AndyMac says:
    October 29, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    “What do we want with another central midfielder ? Why cant we be linked with some CREATIVE players for a change ?”

    Andy, it isn’t based on anything of any substance, just some grubby little hack in the Sun writing:

    “NEWCASTLE have pipped a host of Premier League rivals by agreeing to sign France midfielder Moussa Sissoko.

    “The 23-year-old’s deal at Toulouse expires at the end of the season and he is free to sign a pre-contract agreement from January 1.

    “Sissoko has already committed himself to the Toon — which is bad news for Spurs, Liverpool, Everton and Fulham, who were also keen.

    “Another Frenchman, winger Charles N’Zogbia, will be out for several weeks for Aston Villa after hurting his knee.”

    And that’s it!

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4614625/Newcastle-agree-to-sign-Moussa-Sissoko.html

  17. andymac, they have never been easy on the eye, even in the best of times.
    what gets my goat, is why do we keep playing in this classic wimbledon style?
    you could understand it, when we were in the championship, because you had to do, what you had to do, to get out of there.
    although even then, teams were playing us off the park, but we were digging in, and getting results.
    the first season back up in the prem, we had to use carroll as the focal point, and play off the bits and pieces, and second balls.
    that’s fair enough, because ashley was spending next to nowt, and we had to stay in there.

    what’s the excuse now though?, we have a more talented set of players, albeit assembled on the cheap, thanks to graeme carr’s endeavours.
    okay we could do with three reinforcements, to kick us on, but ffs, what is pardew’s game?

    his job is probably easier than most in the prem, on the footballing side of things.
    he doesn’t seem to be involved in the transfer side of things, to any extent, which is a good thing, because there is now way, i would trust him to assemble a decent squad, on his own volition.

    he has been backed more than any of his predecessors, and seems to be in favour with jabba the hutt and bib fortuna.
    so why can he not move this club forward, by changing the style of how the team plays?
    the biggest part of his job will be on the training ground, because lets be honest, he’s only a glorified coach, and like i eluded to, his job is probably easier than other managers, in the prem, apart from the fans expectations.

    this is why i cannot understand, why he cannot seem to maximise the assets, he has available to him.
    it’s always square pegs in round holes, playing players in positions, that are neither use nor ornament.
    an antiquated 4-4-2, that very rarely works.
    bizarre substitutions, that hardly ever change a game.

    he was supposed to be brought in as a step up to hughton, but is that the case?
    the worrying thing for me, is that we have not moved forward, in the last few years, and we are just doing the same things, in terms of style of play etc.
    the thing pardew does have in his favoiur, is he argubly, has better players than chris hughton did.

    i just cannot see pardew changing the way he does things, so we will end up going backwards, it’s sadly inevitable!!!

  18. Worky and Billythefish: that’s not it. I went to Ed’s on my phone and I have never looked up porn on that. When I go on Newspaper sites they always show links to what I looked up on Amazon but I think Ed has his ads as a choice. The MILF pictures is supposed to be a dating thing but it looks like porn to me.

  19. The answer to most of the above is the slow learning curve of our owner.
    Though he has been praised for his business plan, which is no diffrent from his business plan with Sports Direct.
    Pardew was’nt hired for his knowledge of the game, nor was Llambias.
    The problem of how we play (actually having decent coaches) is down to Pardew, who has been a failure wherever he’s been in this role.
    Until Ashley (a control freak) realises, if he has’nt already, that unless he hires proper footballing people, to fill the roles of both Llambias and Pardew.
    Then give a certain amount of autonomy to their replacements, this club will never reach it’s full potential.
    A positive start was made by hiring Carr, why not continue the process, after all those non playing roles in the club, are as important and in some cases more so as the playing staff and should be asssesed on an annual basis like players.
    But i fear Ashley’s (control freak) attitude, is not about to change any time soon and we can expect he will continue to surround himself with yes men.

  20. Chuck and tunyc: I am watching CNN and it is all about the storm. Stay safe and glad Chuck got the supplies (Amstel) in. Most people stock up on tinned food and water!

  21. TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:
    October 29, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Trojan,

    Firstly, Pardew does have a say in transfers. Obertan, Ba and Rob Elliot at least were Pardew signings.

    Secondly, as I’ve pointed out several times since Pardew became manager, he learned his method under people like Terry Bullivant and Tommy Burns at Reading, not Johan Cruyff at Barcelona. I wrote that we would become more of a kick and rush team when Pardew was announced, but most preferred to go with the bullshit.

    Turning things around the other way, the cliche about Newcastle being a kick and rush team because of Carroll is nonsense, we’ve actually become far more like that since Carroll left, or more precisely, since Hughton left. However many fans have seen it the other way. They’re just going on stuff like we have replaced English players like Barton, Nolan and Carroll with fancy Frenchmen such as Cabaye, Benny and so on, and possibly on what journalists, who also know f all about football have been writing, as well as Pardew’s old flannel.

    Another example of this delusion actually working the other way was Joe Kinnear. He was condemned as a kick and rush manager even before he started by fans merely because of his former associations with Wimbledon. In reality, Wimbledon were indeed a kick and rush team under Bobby Gould. He once described his game as “Goal keepers who can kick the ball 90 yards and a 6 foot 2 bloke to head it in!” Kinnear on the other hand was a manager who learned his craft under Bill Nicholson at Tottenham and was always an advocate of a more flowing game. He actually taught Wimbledon how to play properly.

  22. Storm Update
    Well the tide surge has water flooding into Battery Park at the lower tip of Manhattan, the worst conditions are to be expecte around midnight, with winds of around seventy five mph.
    The problem is the constant winds from this slow moving system plus the tidal surges, estimated at around twelve feet,in additional to the normal tides increased by a full moon and the storm being attracted by a massive low pressure system approaching from the west.
    Constitutes the perfect storm, at present heading directly for NYC.
    Bridges and tunnels are still open at this time, but all rail and road plus public transport ceased operating last night.
    With a barometric pressure of 943 reported and recent
    winds of 90 mph. not exactly looking forward to approaching events.

  23. GS says:
    October 29, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    “Worky and Billythefish: that’s not it.”

    Right oh GS, you haven’t been brewing one up over “MILFs seduce teen lesbos” recently then. :-)

    Nah, seriously, as I mentioned, I’ve had the odd one for “Mature Dating” on Toonsy’s .cock, and when I think about it, I may have had the odd one on Ed’s .com too, can’t remember and I haven’t had nee MILFs on this laptop (honest!). Having written that, the ones on Toonsy’s adverts could be described as “Mature” but certainly couldn’t be described as “MILFs” by any stretch of the imagination!

    I think they just figure that anyone who looks at football sites is interested in that sort of thing. We’re profiled primarily as lonely, uneducated males on a low income. I’ve seen it on site analytics sites.

  24. worky, the wimbledon model i’m talking about, is the original crazy gang, under bassett’s stewardship.
    where every goal wimbledon scored, was nearly always a goal line scramble.

    my gripe with pardew, is he was meant to be a step up from hughton, but our style hasn’t changed, from the day he turned up.
    what i said on hughton, is not a slight on him, rather than he was in a needs must situation, after the relegation.
    like you say, pardew has taken us backwards in style, rather than enhanced us.

  25. chuck says:
    October 29, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    “A positive start was made by hiring Carr, why not continue the process”

    Chuck, As I’ve written before, Carr was hired by Hughton after Ashley’s choices (Wise and the other two) left the club, and of course, Hughton isn’t at the club any more. When he moved to Norwich, he also brought another scout known for his european knowledge, Ewan Chester, back to the club from Birmingham City after he moved there to work for Hughton. Carr was a Hughton thing, but they don’t have him any more, they have Pardew now.

    http://www.ex-canaries.co.uk/players/chester.htm

  26. worky

    your right about the journalists thing – i’m sick of reading the same old crap aswell.

    and it beggars belief listening to the football pundits constantly spouting how attractive the brand of football newcastle play and that pardew deserves a medal for it.

    a size 10 up his cockney ring piece would be a more deserving reward.

    broon in the toon time.

  27. Worky @23: so their demographic is “Sir Mike Ashley” :) No wait, everybody else is a Chav and he is not.

    I come on here because it is not just NUFC all the time but still has a NUFC focus. And there aren’t that many morons on this blog.

    I wish I lived in Dortmund where there is the same tribal belief in the team, but at least they win things. Those crowds are the way our crowds used to be.

  28. Steve Clarke’s recent praising of NUFC and it’s fans was nice to read, but you gotta take it with a grain of saly.
    Sounds more like he’s putting in his resume than just randomly praising the club.
    That is his managerial resume not coaching, as he turned down that role to go to Liverpool.
    Then again, who would want to work for Pardew as opposed to Dalglish, who i assume he may have had thoughts of inheriting the job.
    All things considered, the fact he has expressed a favorable attitude to-wards NUFC, I would’nt mind seeing him get the job, once it becomes apparent to all, Pardew is gonna take us nowhere.

  29. TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:
    October 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    “worky, the wimbledon model i’m talking about, is the original crazy gang, under bassett’s stewardship.
    where every goal wimbledon scored, was nearly always a goal line scramble.

    my gripe with pardew, is he was meant to be a step up from hughton, but our style hasn’t changed, from the day he turned up.”

    Correct Trojan, Gould succeeded Bassett but they were two peas from the same “Route one” pod and it was Gould who won the Cup.

    Thing is though that is HAS changed, though the narrative of the idiots is that it has actually been going the other way. We’ve become more reliant on kick and rush tactics with Pardew and we make far more long passes over 25 and even 35 yards than we ever did with Hughton.

  30. If you really want to see stupid, but not necessarily uneducated, read the comments on the Daily Mail website (AndyMac excepted, of course).

  31. Worky
    Yes i’m well aware that Hughton brought Carr to NUFC.
    But thats beside the point at this time, being he obviously has Ashleys ear, hopefully to the point Pardew has a limited role in selecting recruits.
    At least that would be a start.
    With a decent GM and perhaps Steve Clarke as Manager, most fans could i believe change their minds about Ashley’s ownership,or at least could live with it

  32. chuck says:

    “Storm Update
    Well the tide surge has water flooding into Battery Park at the lower tip of Manhattan, the worst conditions are to be expecte around midnight, with winds of around seventy five mph”

    Chuck have you got a battery powered radio in case the power goes ? Make sure your phone and laptop’s charged too !

    Are you on ground level ? Battery and Bowery 11 – 12 feet surges expwected !

    You’ll have to act as .org’s “Sandy Storm” special correspondent.

  34. Chuck: you seem to think that our manager should be ABP (anyone but Pardew). You keep bringing up managers who have never won anything and assume they would do well in the Newcastle pressure cooker. What has Steve Clarke ever done, and would you prefer Allardyce came back?

  35. GS
    Whats this distainful attitude to-wards what you call chavs.
    Who are you talking about, the British working class, who refuse to imitating their betters mode of lifestyle and dress.
    Instead like Afro-Americans, Latinos and other workink classes, decide on their own lifestyles and introduce their own fashion.
    The fact is they are the people who eventually affect fashion, much more than the middle classes.
    It’s so obvious that the UK remains a country who’s rigid estabished class structure, is not about to change anytime soon.
    The demonization of chavs is a typical example, of i’m better than you, give it a rest !

  36. Oh, and Chuck. Before you ask what have I ever done. I did win the Nobel Prize in snarky comments.

  37. Chuck: that’s the problem with blogs, it is easy to misinterpret a comment. I was commenting on the poster “Sir Mike Ashley” and wasn’t making a comment on class or anything else. Chav was his word and I was trying to make a joke.

  38. roy cropper says:
    October 29, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    “worky

    your right about the journalists thing – i’m sick of reading the same old crap aswell.”

    You mean like this Roy?

    “Alan Pardew’s side play a more attractive, quicker style of football now than they used to with Carroll as the focal point of the team and he would not be guaranteed a starting place with those two (Cisse and Ba) as rivals.” – Luke Edwards on Carroll coming back.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9402142/Newcastle-United-move-is-a-ploy-to-unsettle-Andy-Carroll-and-eventually-re-sign-him-for-only-12m.html

  39. GS
    What did Clarke do, well he out managed Pardew on Sunday.
    He has had a sound grounding under such managers as Morinho, SBR, coached at a number of clubs among them Chelsea, Liverpool and W/Ham
    And was offered a coaching job at NUFC.
    In order to become a good manager, one needs a good grounding, especially in coaching and it does’nt hurt to serve under the best managers.
    But your question in general was kinda dumb, as we are both aware this is his first managerial role.
    As for Alardyce, nah! but given a choice between BSA and Pardew, i’d take BSA.

  41. Thanks for your concen, but i live in an area called Carnegie Hill, which would indicate im in a area that’s unlikely to flood, plus i live n the eigth floor.
    Thats part of the problem during a power outage, walking up and down.
    As far as stocking up, nah! got enough amstel to last a week and theres always someone trying to make a buck here, so i’m sure i can pretty much get what i need.
    After all i’m less than 15 blocks from his honor the myor’s gaff so the area should be taken care of.

  42. Chuck says:

    “In order to become a good manager, one needs a good grounding, especially in coaching and it does’nt hurt to serve under the best managers”

    Aye and I dont think I’ve ever read articles on Pardwho bothering his ass and spending (his own) time at football centres of excellence such as La Masia, De Toekomst or Clairefontaine ?

  43. Andymac: I think my point was that Steve Clarke is unproven as a manager, that’s all. You can’t put up people like Clarke, Rodgers, Lambert and Martinez as shining lights of management until they actually do something.

    Just because they worked for Mourinho doesn’t make them Mourinho. I am sure you have co-workers you think are shite.

    You could even say that Pardew has done more because as has been mentioned on here many times, he has to deal with an owner who knows nothing about football, is a gambler and is notoriously cheap.

    And did we get to 5th by luck and despite Ashley’s mismanagement? And 5th, although nothing really, is still better than that lot have done. On essentially the same budget because Ashley is notoriously cheap.

  44. chuck says:
    October 29, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    “As for Alardyce, nah! but given a choice between BSA and Pardew, i’d take BSA.”

    I’m still emotionally scarred that absolutely awful Big Sam game against Derby County, the worst team there had ever been in the Premiership and they got their only victory of the whole season against us (1-0). I think it scarred alot of others too, it was hideous.

    The thing I think I’d choose anything over though was seeing Iain Dowie’s hideously contorted screaming face in the dugout every week as relegation loomed, with Big Al desperately doing stuff that made it look as if he actually had something to do with the coaching of the team. That was just surreal.

  45. GS
    BSA was known for playing direct football, he recruited big guys, played percentage football, scored mostly from set pieces, not pretty stuff to watch and very controlled.
    On saying that, he was certainly aware of that and was a firm believer like Pulis of “The Team” ethic, it being all important.
    As you are probably aware there are in general, two opposing styles in football , one i have mentioned, the other to give the individual the freedom to express their skills, within a group.
    Of course there are those who combine those skills within a fairly controlled tactical game.
    These are the managers who evolve the game, by introducing a different approach, in tactics or lineups, obviously one affecting he other.
    We could go from managers like Hogan, an English gypsy who began in the twenties.
    Who spent his career on the continent, because his concepts of how the game should be played was never accepted (a profit in his own land)
    To that of Pep Guardola and his effect on the present Barcelona.
    But one manager stands on the shoulders of those who preceeded him, perhaps addind a speculative twist to that he has learned from others.
    So thats basically why i have absolutely no faith in Pardew ever achieving anything, had he the grey matter to match his hair, i wouldda given him a chance, but nah!

  46. Chuck: one of the managers you mention could turn out to be brilliant, but they haven’t shown that yet. They arn’t Fergusson at Aberdeen, Clough at Derby, Mourihno at Porto, Robson at Ipswich, Shankly at Liverpool.

    Tutoring and learning are all very well and good, and may help, but the “special ones” are born with it.

    Do we want to get into a nature/nurture debate? :)

  47. Here Chuck, it is not a comment about how much I like you, rather it is a comment about the weather:

  48. GS says:

    “Andymac: I think my point was that Steve Clarke is unproven as a manager, that’s all. You can’t put up people like Clarke, Rodgers, Lambert and Martinez as shining lights of management until they actually do something.

    Just because they worked for Mourinho doesn’t make them Mourinho”

    I agree but my point is we shouldnt really expect Pardwho to play open, attractive attacking (or even one of those three) football when his background has never included working under or with any coaches of note such as Sexton, Robson, Venables etc although he was at Charlton when Curbishley took over as player manager.

    If he’d ever shown any inclination to toddle off and meet with and learn from some of the industries top coaches (instead of just fawning all over SAF) then we might not still be waiting for a first ever turn around from going a goal or two down ?

    The longer this “albatross” hangs around his neck the more likely it is that increasing numbers of fans will begin to question his ability to successfully manage a top six club.

  49. Worky
    Thought i had eradicated those memories of Dowie and Sheerah on the sidelines, embarrassing !

    And yeah BSA was not much better, however it’s my belief that there was some kind of general malaise within the team at that period and even had Morinho taken over the reins, the result would have been the same.

    Actually BSA had a system, he still has, it is as stated, above all about control and certain tactics, he employs a host of physio’s, and tecnical people who rake over statistics and tv balls of wool that explain god knows what.

    He has always been fairly successful in a mid table sense, again not unlike Pulis, but face it both sides are god awfull to watch in terms of entertainment, a HBA would never fit unfortunately.
    Not the kinda game i would want to attend.

  50. Andymac. Were we ever a “top six” club except for a short period?

    There is a top 5: Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs.

    We had to compete with Citeh, Villa and Everton for top 6, and we usually fell short. SO IS PARDWHO UNDERACHIEVING?

  51. If we are on about management style – Brendan Rodgers will never make it big. Shankly, Mourihno and Clough were bullies but they did it with style and humour. Rodgers is just a c@ck. Even Fergusson has charisma to offset his bollocky ways and Robson killed you with kindness.

  52. GS
    You are clutching at straws, nurture /nature.

    And that group of young managers, Clarke, Rodgers, Martinez, Lambert, are the future of the EPL, each bringing both an entertaining and effective style of football.

    Even Laudrup and Villas Boas, bring a fresh approach to the old fashioned football of Pulis and BSA, O’Niell and others.

    The difference is, these younger managers, no doubt will achieve success but they must be given time,aftr all some have just begun their first managerial role.

    And you are begging the question what have they done?

    The one thing they have in common is grey matter, that plus they are students of the game, able to introduce their own particular tactical approaches, but the one thing in common is a modern style of football.

    Whereas our silver supremo has obviously spent more time on PR work than football, but you can only bullshit your way through for a cetain amount of time.

    Unless of course thats what the owner was looking for to begin with.

  54. chuck says:
    October 29, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    “And that group of young managers, Clarke, Rodgers, Martinez, Lambert, are the future of the EPL, each bringing both an entertaining and effective style of football.”

    Chuck, are you quite sure about Paul Lambert? I’m not sure that he’s exactly the kind of manager that you seem to think he is in terms of his style of play.

  55. Chuck @55: just my opinion, as you say all the time. I have a different opinion and the blog would be boring if we all said Pardew is shite all the time. Agreeing to agree, so to speak.

    I hope you don’t think that I am a blowhard (great American term, by the way) I just have my own view on things and it sometimes runs counter to yours.

  57. So let’s have a look at where these football geniuses finished last year. I cant be bothered to look up exact positions, but my guesses are:

    lambert -11th
    martinez -12th
    rodgers – 10th
    clark @ liverpool – 9th

    isn’t that a definition of mediocrity? Or is that the future of the EPL??? Unless you are a medium Chuck, I would guess they will generally stay where they are and maybe one of them will turn out to be good.

  58. Worky
    Lambert is a well travelled player who was involved with a number of continental sides, few who used the English physical, kick the ball and run style.
    Which begs the question , why would he revert to a style thats seen it’s day?

  59. Chuck @56: I might not be divil’s advocate if you weren’t so strident, which is not a bad thing by the way. Just an observation.

  60. GS
    if you look at the sides they are managing, none have had much success lately and for that matter non have had money to spend on players.

    For Martinez, it’s almost a miracle he managed to avoid relegation during the last couple of seasons.

    Rodgers did well with a newly promoted side.

    So did Lambert.

    Are you really begging the question, why were they not top four teams or won the FA cup ?

    Look i’m not going to engage in nosense like this.

  61. Chuck said:

    “Are you really begging the question, why were they not top four teams or won the FA cup ?”

    Portsmouth won the FA cup, and Pardew’s Wham were unlucky not to win it.

    Why is it nonsense when somebody questions your opinion? If I was berating you or something, I might understand that statement. But if i question you, and you reply, then how can that be nonsense?

    But whatever, if you just want to spout, that must be your thing. I think my responses were reasoned and not in the least bit nonsense.

  62. Chuck: if I question you, you just can’t come back and say I am talking nonsense without backing it up. That means that everything has to be onesided with you, a diatribe.

  63. One more thing. You have done this to me before Chuck and ended up swearing at me. If I don’t bow down to the oracle’s (Chuck’s) words he cries about it. What’s that about?

  64. chuck says:
    October 29, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    “Worky
    Lambert is a well travelled player who was involved with a number of continental sides, few who used the English physical, kick the ball and run style.
    Which begs the question , why would he revert to a style thats seen it’s day?”

    Chuck, this is why you get things a bit Pete Tong sometimes. He played for a season or two at Dortmund under der General and the rest was in that hotbed of Tiki Taka, Scotland.

    If you want to know what style a manager plays, learn a bit about tactics and watch their teams play. Villa were poor and dour against Norwich and they were VERY lucky with the ref more than once, otherwise they could have had a bit of a hammering. When Lambert’s Norwich beat us 4-2 that was about target men, aerial dominince and stuff like that, not stroking the ball around and cutting the daisies. It can work sometimes ;-)

    Having written that, he’s not quite a Pubis or an Alex McLeish, I think he can be a flexible, pragmatic manager, which is his strength. He’s certainly no Cruyffian purist though.

  65. So, i’ll tell you about my hurricane like experience in Mexico. I was having a beer in a town square and suddenly the wind whipped up to like 70 miles and hour. I went inside to a bar that looks over the beach and it was f@cking wild, man.

    Two days later I was having breakfast with a couple and they said they were out in it. They had taken their first deep sea SCUBA leasons and it was their first dive. They resurfaced to see that their boat had buggered off and just left them there. Luckily another boat came by about an hour after.

  66. chuck says:
    October 29, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    “Worky
    Lambert is a well travelled player who was involved with a number of continental sides, few who used the English physical, kick the ball and run style.
    Which begs the question , why would he revert to a style thats seen it’s day?”

    Chuck, basically I think your misreading of football comes from your intense dislike of, and prejudice against anything British. You once even wrote off Shankly, Paisley and Clough as English tactical dinosaurs when they were actually the exact opposite. You obviously know absolutely nothing about them, you just tried to make facts fit in with your own personal prejudices.

    “We realised at Liverpool that you can’t score a goal every time you get the ball. And we learned this from Europe, from the Latin people. When they play the ball from the back they play in little groups. The pattern of the opposition changes as they change. This leaves room for players like Ray Kennedy and Terry McDermott, who both played for Liverpool after I left, to sneak in for the final pass. So it’s cat and mouse for a while waiting for an opening to appear before the final ball is let loose. It’s simple and it’s effective … It’s also taken the spectators time to adjust to it.” – Bill Shankly on how Liverpool adopted a passing game and came to bestride European football like a Colossus.

    “We realised it was no use winning the ball if you finished up on your backside. The top Europeans showed us how to break out of defence effectively. The pace of their movement was dictated by their first pass. We had to learn how to be patient like that and think about the next two or three moves when we had the ball.” – Bob Paisley on the same thing

    “If God had meant football to be played in the air he would have put grass in the sky” – Brian Clough on the beautiful game in general.

  67. Worky: don’t give Chuck such a hard time. He has a hurricane to deal with.

    The Paisley thing has always confused me. How such a calm and laid back gentleman could possibly be so successful in the land of Clough and Mourihno?

  68. Fair enuogh, but in general within three years he brought Norwich from firt to Championship, to Premier, divisions consecutively not to mention manager of the year following both promotions.

    And that was with a side worth a small percentage of the top PL sides.

    That sez more about his abilities than someone like Villas Boas for instance who inherited top sides, i’m not saying Villas Boas is a bad manager, but he has again inherited another side that is very good, but has yet to prove himself.

    Whereas inheriting a Villa side who sold most of their top players and were on a downwill slope, was a bit of a poisoned chalice, which will take a bit of work to rehabilitate and if i’m aware of that, then so was he.
    In which cas credit too him, he is not afraid of a challenge and has ambitions.

  70. You can’t dismiss an argument like you have in the past about Pardew’s title as “manager of the year” and then bring up the same title to support your views.

    In your words, it is nonsense!

  71. And again Chuck: equating Villa and their shite, shite and more shite manager McLiesh is not right. They have a very good youth system and a decent squad. McLiesh was bad, not Villa.

  72. GS says:
    October 29, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    “The Paisley thing has always confused me. How such a calm and laid back gentleman could possibly be so successful in the land of Clough and Mourihno?”

    I don’t understand GS? Why should being calm and laid back be a hindrance to success? Many would say it was a advantage rather than a disadvantage. Then again, you certainly wouldn’t be the first Geordie to have such a primitive and outmoded mindset. I remember all the people who thought that Hughton was too “nice” to be a top level manager.

  73. Worky says:

    Then again, you certainly wouldn’t be the first Geordie to have such a primitive and outmoded mindset.

    You are back Worky :) Good for you. Not as “sad and lonely anymore”.

  74. GS says:
    October 29, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    “You can’t dismiss an argument like you have in the past about Pardew’s title as “manager of the year” and then bring up the same title to support your views.”

    GS, if you threw Pardew’s manager of the year thing at me, I would have responded that Joe Kinnear, Monkeyheed Reid, George Burley, Dave Jones, Danny Wilson and Steve Coppell have also been Premier League and/or LMA managers of the year too after having one good season. Where are they now? ;-)

  77. Now now girls, put your handbags away :)

    Here’s something to get your teeth into instead.

    http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/10/29/newcastle-united-line-up-move-to-sign-bundesliga-hot-shot-as-demba-ba-replacement/

    After the so called “Newcastle source” was quoted saying that if Ba left he would be replaced unlike when Carroll was sold. So who’s behind this ?

    Is it Fatman’s brinkmanship or the empty headed Del Boy ? Where’s the benefit in upsetting team morale ? Does the Fatman just want to sell Ba to show others he has control ? Could you really blame any of the first XI for looking elsewhere ?

  78. Worky thats just not so, that i have a deep dislike and predjudice to-wards everything British you in turn never miss an opportunity to knock things American.
    Amd your sensativity to any criticisms of anything British is acute to say the least.

    Thats an outright untruth, that i ever refered to either Shankly, Paisley and Clough as tactical dinosaurs.

    I have a respect for all three, not particularly for who the were, but for what they acomplished, but unlike yourself i find hero worship of football players or managers to be somewhat childish and not something i would expect from middle aged men.

    I also could’nt agree more with all three’s evaluation of how the game should be played, but as i already know that, perhaps it would be better if you to e-mailed it to Pardew.

    I was wondering if in fact you ever played football, which i did into my forties, i might add.
    It’s kinda like every sport, if you have played it, one better apreciates the skills of those, playing it.

  79. Worky: we r not too far apart on some stuff. As I said before, I have a different view to Chuck and AndyMac. I am like NUFC forever, ever, don’t give up (even tough I know Chuckles and A-Mac like to moan). But I understand they are NUFC forever as well.

    Did you see my texting “r” up there, cool?

  80. chuck says:
    October 29, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    “Whereas inheriting a Villa side who sold most of their top players”

    Eh? When did that happen Chuck? They should have a very good squad. They were spending tens of millions on Darren Bent not so long ago, and they have players like Agbonlahor, Benteke, Hutton, N’Zogbia, Old man Given and lots of others. You also had a massive crush on Stephen Ireland not so long ago too, and kept his photo next to you bedside. Have you got them mixed up with their neighbours at Birmingham City?

  81. Chuck says:

    “have a respect for all three, not particularly for who the were, but for what they acomplished, but unlike yourself i find hero worship of football players or managers to be somewhat childish and not something i would expect from middle aged men.”

    Go on Chuck, have a go :) Bring up Rinus Michels and Yohan Cryuff as well.

  82. Andy Mac
    Being he’s twenty eight years old, no way !
    Though i was watching Ajax recently and our former target De Jong was banging them in, looked good.
    Tell you what that Lukaku looked a handfull on Sunday shouldda had a hat-trick.
    Yeah we are about to be associated with every player out there between now and the upcoming window.
    But the reality is we will probably only buy someone if forced into it, like Ba leaving, even then ?
    I mean how come we did’nt bring in a CD last window and I’m still trying to get my head around playing Williamson instead of Taylor.
    Ah! winds easing think they overestimated things, gannin for an Amstel.

  86. Andymac says:

    “Is it Fatman’s brinkmanship or the empty headed Del Boy ? Where’s the benefit in upsetting team morale ? Does the Fatman just want to sell Ba to show others he has control ? Could you really blame any of the first XI for looking elsewhere ?”

    Purples Andymac, purples!!!

    I know I might confuse people with my views, but these Sports Direct people are confusing people and I really do want the team to do well. Not in a Chav or working class way.

    But in a Gordon Ramsey and Ryan Giggs way, where you pull yourself up by your bootstraps, do yoga and cheat on your wife with her sister sort of way.

  88. Maybe you guys didnt see the “Newcastle Source” story but

    A Newcastle source had this to say in the Mirror: (which is probably the Fatmans chosen spin vehicle)

    “Derek Llambias was pointing out that Newcastle will continue to be prudent both in terms of fees and wages. They won’t pay more than a player is worth.”

    “But if any of the club’s top players leave and that includes Ba, there are funds available to Alan Pardew to replace them.” “There is a Plan B in place. What happened after Andy Carroll left nearly two years ago won’t happen again.”

    So thats why I asked who’s behind this and why ? Presumably Fatman or Dobbin have decided to send a message to Ba and his agents ? If you want to leave then feck off and we’ll buy a replacement ?

  89. So, it is really smart of CNN to stick their reporter (Ali Veshi, thanks A-mac) out in the middle of a hurricane, in 1 foot of water with fire vehicles driving by, and probably a few trees falling down at some point.

    News, Jimmy Savile. Noel Edmonds didn’t kill anybody for the sake of telly. Oh wait, he did.

  90. GS, never mind the hurricane, how’s the US reacting to the news that Wayne Rooney has watched all the Presidential debates and has decided to back Obama?

  91. Ahh! linguini and clam sauce (white of course and not those midget Italian clams) (a bottle of Pinot Noire Trentino) good Italian wholwheat bread (for dipping)
    Preceded be some sliced tomatoes with fresh basil and olive oil.

    Of course i always blow it by asking for Pecorino Romano, which brings the usual patronising look of sympathy.

    But by now i’m inured to it, what can i say, i like the salty flavor.

    When my heart starts beating again following a sugar laced espresso, back to the street.

    By now the winds have increased to the point the roads and sidewalks are strewn with debris.

    With cars dodging garbage cans and tree limbs,i keep a wary lookout for flying objects.

    Syrens are sounding, the wind gusts are increasing and whistling anyone like myself foolhardy enough to be out in such weather are beating a retreat home.

    I keep a hand on the brim of my Newky Brown Cap. not about to sacrifice it to Sandy.

    By now there are almost no businesses remaining open, a seldom seen sight in this city.

    Looks like the storm has hit land, which usually means it will diminish in both size and force.

    Hopefully things will be back to normal by Wednesday.
    A nine foot surge at The Battery with Battery Park City evacuated and the battery tunnel to Brooklyn with some flooding.

    The subways linking Manhattan to its fellow borough Brooklyn, may not be running if they become flooded, aparently switches are subject to malfunctioning following inundation to salt water.

    The telly news is reporting many areas are without power, apparently these are the evacuated areas and the power outage is a result of Con-Ed shutting off supply.
    Whew reports of seventy MPH plus gusts and just made sure the door to the balcony is secured as it sounded as if it were about to blow open.

    Ah well worse things have happened at sea, or so they tell me.

  92. Workie
    Mentioning Wayne Rooney here is like mentioning The giants quarterback to an English audience.
    (hell i dont even know his name)
    It would result in a glazed look and total incomprehension.
    Have you heard that there appears to be a move by the Boston Patriots Owner to invest in a NFL franchise in London, good luck on that.

  93. Chuck @91: that is the most interesting and informative thing you have said all day. Maybe you should stick to food and weather reports and avoid football altogether.

    Just kidding Chuck. I actually think it is a good thing that “middle-aged men” can still be passionate about something when all it (NUFC) has done is metephorically kick them in the teeth their whole lives.

    My view of this blog is that it is a forum for like minded people to express sometimes differing views on the club they love. Some of us will take our toys and go home (Clint) although I have no idea why.

    If not NUFC, what the f@ck else are we going to talk about, classical music, Chomsky, death. Oh…

  95. Chuck @92: was that tongue in ckeek again? Eli Manning, you know, he won the Super Bowl last year? That is like saying you live in Madrid and don’t know who Ronaldo is.

  97. I have lived in Chicago for 23 years, but it doesn’t seem strange to argue with Chuck about NUFC. If I mentioned that I was on Worky’s Blog to any of my friends THEY would think I was strange. But it is not, it in your blood, it Newcastle United.

  101. And then there is something so good as this, and people watch stite like “Britain’s got Tripe”

  102. GS says:
    October 30, 2012 at 3:30 am

    “Worky @90: it is interesting that Wayne can actually see that Romney is a fraud. Good for him.”

    It would be more interesting if he could see that Obama was a fraud too, GS.

  106. “I did a talk-in with former Newcastle goalkeeper John Burridge and he hit the nail on the head: “When I was eight or nine we used to play football in parks. Would you seriously let an eight-year old out these day? They might bump into Michael Jackson!”

    I seriously doubt that John.

  107. workyticket says:

    “Is it still a bit windy over there then?”

    7m homes without power ?

    workyticket says:

    “The Chronic has exclusively revealed today that Pardew has been heavily influenced by the three great masters: Mourinho, Wenger and Steve Coppell”

    Yeah right. I can just picture it now. Pardwho sitting at Wengers knee, looking up, wide eyed, at his hero while the Frenchman waxes lyrical about the benefits of zonal marking :)

    Do you s’pose they read this blog ? :lol:

  109. AndyMac

    You were the only one to take the trouble to congratulate me on My announcement that it was my 45th wedding anniversary last week, cheers for that, glad to see there is at least one thoughtful courteous person on the blog.

    After all how many people can boast about 45 years of happily (mainly) married life in this day and age.

    Oh well, suppose I’ll just do a “Cartman”

  110. Very sorry Grumpy. I seldom get the time to be thoughtful or considerate nowadays.

    A rather belated full match video of the West Brom game is now up. I know that Andy for one will want to sit through all that scintillating football again.

  111. AndyMac: Chuck can take it. He just takes a deep breath and says exactly what he said yesterday.

    Am I really that bad and does Chuckerihno not look for trouble?