Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager

Quote from Swab on Dec 30, 2017 12:10:11 am

who would Klopp have as his trigger (for pressing), and also sitting deep to recycle, and also push up, if not Henderson?

Regards to the first part of this, I thought Lallana was meant to be the trigger for the pressing? That said, there is probably several because it obviously all depends on who is playing.

Quote from 7-King Kenny-7 on Dec 30, 2017 12:11:51 am

Regards to the first part of this, I thought Lallana was meant to be the trigger for the pressing? That said, there is probably several because it obviously all depends on who is playing.

Henderson is the midfield trigger.

There are triggers in the front players, midfield and defensive players.

Henderson is exceptional at triggering the midfield press, because of his pace, vision and aggression.

Quote from Swab on Dec 30, 2017 12:20:05 am

Henderson is the midfield trigger.

There are triggers in the front players, midfield and defensive players.

Henderson is exceptional at triggering the midfield press, because of his pace, vision and aggression.

Where do you see Lallana playing?

Quote from 7-King Kenny-7 on Dec 30, 2017 12:27:34 am

Where do you see Lallana playing?

Rotating.
Furthest forward of mid 3, or on the right, or left.

He can play any of a few positions, like a decent player of his type should.

Quote from Swab on Dec 30, 2017 12:10:11 am

Fair comment, but let me ask you this; who would Klopp have as his trigger (for pressing), and also sitting deep to recycle, and also push up, if not Henderson?
I disagree that he has little to his game, because he is playing to instructions, and the instruction is keep the ball, work it around, look for gaps.

He can pass, defend, shoot, tackle, head, has great pace and athleticism, is big and imposing, and gee's the team up all the time.

I honestly don't see the problem; his overall game has been lacking this season after injuries, and he's not got his full fitness back yet.
When he has his full fitness back (march/april) watch him go.
He's not a "special" player, but he's plenty good enough and then some, if he was let off his leash.

IMO of course (others may vary )

Lallana is our pressing trigger hence why we have not really pressed aggressively this season with him missing.

Quote from Ribapuru on Dec 29, 2017 08:14:12 pm

I would not judge a player on training alone and any manager that does is making a mistake. An important part of being a player in any position is the ability to handle pressure ...

I don't get why this post was so heavily slated - the above quote makes perfect sense. There was talk recently about finding ways to revamp the U21s (previously known as the Reserves) because the league they play in is so far removed, in terms of intensity and pressure, from first team football. This is a major reason why you see massively changed teams for the League Cup early rounds - it's giving fringe / youth players an opportunity in the first team because - until they have played in the first team - you don't really know just how good they are and how well they'll handle the pressure.

With regards to the goalkeepers, I don't get the policy of one playing in the CL and the other playing in the EPL. I think that's daft and only serves to undermine the confidence of both players because it is kind of saying that the manager doesn't really know which one is best. It also implies that selection is not linked to performance - e.g. Karius can have a blinder in a CL game but knows he will not, barring an injury to Mignolet, start the next match simply because its a EPL game, which is the absolute opposite message we should be giving players! I do think that Klopp needs to do to Mignolet what Houllier did to Westerveld and just drop him completely. If he's happy for Karius to play in the CL games then there's no reason why he can't be given an extended run in the first team ... to the end of the season for instance, to see if he is good enough or if he too needs to move on. We've seen enough of Mignolet to know he isn't good enough, but I don't think Karius has had a fair crack of the whip just yet.

Quote from HScRed1 on Dec 30, 2017 12:31:24 am

Lallana is our pressing trigger hence why we have not really pressed aggressively this season with him missing.

More than one trigger mate.

Quote from Ribapuru on Dec 29, 2017 11:40:46 pm

Multiple times he has blamed the defence when we conceded much less shots but equal or more goals.
Against Arsenal he refused to blame Mignolet and put it down to team defending and hinted the attack was wasteful.
I can understand him not wanting to publicly shame Mignolet, but many fans would rather he say nothing than blame others.

Years ago, Mourinho was asked when he spoke to the media - who were the main people he was aiming his comments at: the fans, the club's owners, or the players. He said 'first, the players. Second, the players. And thirdly, the players'.

I think we need to take all quotes from Klopp in that vein because I suspect he's of a very similar mindset. We don't know what happened in the dressing room after that game: it could be that some of the attacking players were moaning and he was trying to give them a kick up the backside so they took more responsibility. It was also probably to some extent him wanting to protect Mignolet's rather fragile confidence.

Quote from ed603em on Dec 30, 2017 12:43:58 am

Years ago, Mourinho was asked when he spoke to the media - who were the main people he was aiming his comments at: the fans, the club's owners, or the players. He said 'first, the players. Second, the players. And thirdly, the players'.

I think we need to take all quotes from Klopp in that vein because I suspect he's of a very similar mindset. We don't know what happened in the dressing room after that game: it could be that some of the attacking players were moaning and he was trying to give them a kick up the backside so they took more responsibility. It was also probably to some extent him wanting to protect Mignolet's rather fragile confidence.

Managers look after players.

It has always been thus.

And proper F***ing order too.

Klopp got it right today. Really shown quality as a manager. Made the right call with Karius. It did make a big difference and the Ox substitute was at the perfect time. There was a time Klopp would have made that sub 10 minutes too late, but not today. 10/10 from Klopp today.

Target locked for 2nd spot..

I think Klopp will get us there..

Quote from Ribapuru on Dec 30, 2017 06:55:50 pm

Klopp got it right today. Really shown quality as a manager. Made the right call with Karius. It did make a big difference and the Ox substitute was at the perfect time. There was a time Klopp would have made that sub 10 minutes too late, but not today. 10/10 from Klopp today.

Yes did well today, recognised that we played well in the first half and was clever enough to just ask for more of the same and we will get the chances.Whether we take them is another matter. I thought the line up was a bit top heavy. But Mane did well second half.

Alex was unlucky not to start and did well when he came on. Praised the defense in his post match interview, even tho errors were made in the lead up to their goal. May be Karius will get another go. I will give him 9/10.

« *Last Edit: Dec 30, 2017 08:28:56 pm by Harrisimo* »

The next 4-6 weeks will show if the rotation/rest policy is paying off. Before the Soton game, Mourinho said Lukaku was tired and then Lukaku gets injured. Did fatigue play a part.

What's the odds Klopp rests Salah for the Burnley match. Overdo him and his hammy's could get stretched. Keep him up his sleeve, just in case. The ground will be a bit heavy so I would definitely rest Salah.

Quote from Harrisimo on Dec 30, 2017 08:23:24 pm

The next 4-6 weeks will show if the rotation/rest policy is paying off. Before the Soton game, Mourinho said Lukaku was tired and then Lukaku gets injured. Did fatigue play a part.

No, head injury.

Quote from Harrisimo on Dec 30, 2017 08:23:24 pm

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Got nutted 😊

Quote from RedPuppy on Dec 30, 2017 08:31:44 pm

No, head injury.

I was wondering why Lukaku was on a stretcher with his eyes closed when an image was posted on twitter earlier.

Had falsely presumed that he had died of boredom from Mourinho's tactics.

I F***ing love Klopp. Never been so happy in my lifetime supporting Liverpool. Right up there with Benitez’s 2008/9 team.

And it’s only going to get better!!

Believe we have the right man in charge and he is in the top 5 in the world.

But must offer congratulations to Arsene Wenger or Arsenal Wenger on breaking the record for most Premier League games managed. 811....fantastic effort and even if we don't like him I think we should respect that landmark. Took the record off the Old Soak remember.

So congrats Wenger..hope you finish 5th again.

I think Klopp should have stuck with Karius. Subs should have been made a bit earlier and it was very strange to sub Mane. We won because we got very lucky today. 4/10 for Klopp today. I gave him 10 against Leicester.

Strange change alright, taking off Mane, after him getting his goal.
Maybe a bit lucky to get the win.
BUT ... but, after lots of changes, main scorer injured, captain injured, we still got a very tricky away win.
So fair play to the manager tonight, great way to start 2018, with a BIG 3 points

Quote from bmck on Jan 01, 2018 05:05:56 pm

Strange change alright, taking off Mane, after him getting his goal.
Maybe a bit lucky to get the win.
BUT ... but, after lots of changes, main scorer injured, captain injured, we still got a very tricky away win.
So fair play to the manager tonight, great way to start 2018, with a BIG 3 points

To be fair, Mane got a good goal but other than that, he was terrible. Boots of lead today.

Quote from 7-King Kenny-7 on Jan 01, 2018 05:37:05 pm

To be fair, Mane got a good goal but other than that, he was terrible. Boots of lead today.

Said after the match he wasn’t feeling well. That’s why Jürgen finally took him off.

Quote from Ribapuru on Jan 01, 2018 05:00:02 pm

I think Klopp should have stuck with Karius. Subs should have been made a bit earlier and it was very strange to sub Mane. We won because we got very lucky today. 4/10 for Klopp today. I gave him 10 against Leicester.

F**k sake Rib, you wont be satisfied until he's out the f***in door will you ?

You give him a 10 for Leicester but only a 4 today, yet he made 7 SEVEN changes and had we drawn or lost he'd have gotten pelters and more,

But he didn't we f***in won, we won without Coutinho, without Salah, without Firmino for the most part, we won cos we battled for 94+ mins we won because Jürgen Klopp has instilled a winning mentality, a never say die mentality that wins you matches, finals & titles,

Yet you would rather see him walk out the door because his belief in his players, because he's a stubborn SoB that sticks to his guns,

4 out of 10 is showing a complete disrespect and proves if any were needed that you have no idea about how Jürgen works, how Liverpool work or in fact about football in general,

Give it up Riba, all the gear and no idea !!

YNWA

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