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      Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice

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      AZPatriot
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      Re: Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice
      Reply #483: Jul 01, 2015 12:19:50 am
      After getting a bit angry again I'm back to this. :D

      Nothing to be gained from continually fuming about this as I always give players a chance so the same has to go for Sean.

      It could just be that three like minded minds working together will bring the best out of the manager.

      If that's the case it benefits the club and that is what we're all after.


      Haha Si...this type of rational is going to be needed mightily if we sign Benteke.

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      Reply #484: Jul 01, 2015 12:20:04 am
      After getting a bit angry again I'm back to this. :D

      Nothing to be gained from continually fuming about this as I always give players a chance so the same has to go for Sean.

      It could just be that three like minded minds working together will bring the best out of the manager.

      If that's the case it benefits the club and that is what we're all after.


      Sounds reasonable to me Si, that's all I'm saying, let's give the guy a chance before we string him up :D
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      Reply #485: Jul 01, 2015 12:27:45 am
      Could never have pegged this.

      Wait for the ride, and see what it brings.
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      Re: Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice
      Reply #486: Jul 01, 2015 12:39:50 am
      Could never have pegged this.

      Wait for the ride, and see what it brings.

      The first presser coming up should be a real hum dinger.
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      Reply #487: Jul 01, 2015 12:49:52 am
      I love the internet :D Only it could provide a platform for the modern football fan to vent about someone they don't know or how they work.

      I'm in the 'wait and see what happens because i have no idea who he is' camp.
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      Re: Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice
      Reply #488: Jul 01, 2015 01:02:32 am
      ā€œWe need to stop blaming the players,ā€ Rodgers said at the time. ā€œThe players get the blame in this country. No, it is the coaching. The problem is that the guys who are ā€™that typeā€™ of coach you never hear of them really. Look at Sean Oā€™Driscoll. He is one of the best coaches I have ever come across. He is working at Bristol City. He has never had a chance in the top flight. His teams were expressive, had movement, they were technical, but he will probably never get a chance at a higher level.ā€

      That is what Brendan said about Sean in October 2013.

      2 years later he is the very man who has given him a chance in the top flight. Further reiterates to me that FSG are behind him they've made money available for Firmino and will make another substantial amount available  for a striker/Benteke. No excuses from him going in to the new season needs to get the team playing good football at least -15 new players and counting in two summer windows does not read too well nor align with a defined, planned and deliberate long term strategy.
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      Reply #489: Jul 01, 2015 01:11:11 am

      Unless your pub has several million punters and competes against other pubs worldwide. I guess then you may be more choosy about the management team.
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      Reply #490: Jul 01, 2015 01:13:52 am
      His teams were expressive, had movement, they were technical, but he will probably never get a chance at a higher level

      This is what worries me about Brendan, 'can they defend'. All good teams in Europe play the type of football he is talking about, but he talks about it like he's just discovered it. His teams can't defend, lack balance, whatever you want to call it
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      Reply #491: Jul 01, 2015 01:46:32 am
      ā€œWe need to stop blaming the players,ā€ Rodgers said at the time. ā€œThe players get the blame in this country. No, it is the coaching. The problem is that the guys who are ā€™that typeā€™ of coach you never hear of them really. Look at Sean Oā€™Driscoll. He is one of the best coaches I have ever come across. He is working at Bristol City. He has never had a chance in the top flight. His teams were expressive, had movement, they were technical, but he will probably never get a chance at a higher level.ā€

      That is what Brendan said about Sean in October 2013.

      2 years later he is the very man who has given him a chance in the top flight. Further reiterates to me that FSG are behind him they've made money available for Firmino and will make another substantial amount available  for a striker/Benteke. No excuses from him going in to the new season needs to get the team playing good football at least -15 new players and counting in two summer windows does not read too well nor align with a defined, planned and deliberate long term strategy.

      Top post and correct in saying he has been backed and and its up to him now.
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      Re: Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice
      Reply #492: Jul 01, 2015 02:41:24 am
      (we employ around 50 people, turnover approaching 4 million quid per annum etc etc).

      Thought it would be more ....


















      at Ā£5 a pint of Carling.  :f_tongueincheek: Or has that gone up?


      On O'Driscoll: Can understand some being underwhelmed by this but some of the stuff being bandied around is f**king cringe worthy and blatant targeting.

      He's here, give him a chance.

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      Reply #493: Jul 01, 2015 02:59:52 am
      Sean O'Driscoll has got the charm and grace of a rabid goat. I've watched 4 other interviews. I see an assistant manager as the next one on the rung if the current manager doesn't perform or want the job anymore.
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      Reply #494: Jul 01, 2015 06:54:46 am
      Sean O'Driscoll has got the charm and grace of a rabid goat. I've watched 4 other interviews. I see an assistant manager as the next one on the rung if the current manager doesn't perform or want the job anymore.

      When have we ever sacked a manager and appointed his assistant?
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      Reply #495: Jul 01, 2015 09:37:46 am
      Interesting article with interviews from fans of seans previous clubs, basically he's in favour of the possession/passing game but more suited to coaching than management.
       
      .  The imminent appointment of Sean Oā€™Driscoll as Liverpool FC assistant manager has, unsurprisingly, divided opinion. For some, it is a smart appointment; for others, his name is nowhere near big enough, his status not strong enough, to take the role.

      A brief look at his Wikipedia page - an enriching source of knowledge, if ever there was one - gives the bare facts. Trophies won, win percentages, ups and downs at Bournemouth, Doncaster, Nottingham Forest and Bristol City.

      A lot has been assumed from those facts alone. Whatā€™s more, his time at Bournemouth and Doncaster - two long spells, totalling 11 years - are the periods he is being judged on.

      But his final game at Doncaster was in 2011. Since then, heā€™s managed both Nottingham Forest and Bristol City at club level.

      Perhaps, then, his spells at those two clubs would give a fairer reflection of what Liverpool can expect from Oā€™Driscoll.

      Perhaps, then, the best-placed to comment are the supporters of those clubs.

      We spoke to a Forest fan and two Bristol City fans. Here is their take on the 58-year-old.

      IN PICS: Liverpool assistant boss Sean O'Driscoll



      TOM EVANS, NOTTINGHAM FOREST FAN, JOURNALIST

      Sometimes, nice guys donā€™t lose. In the end.

      When Nottingham Forest were bought by Kuwaiti fridge magnate Fawaz Al-Hasawi in the summer of 2012 ā€“ after a season of struggle, strife and uncertainty ā€“ he promised to hire an ā€œiconicā€ manager to replace Steve Cotterill.

      When he eventually appointed the guy whoā€™d been Cotterillā€™s assistant for half a season before leaving to manage Crawley Town, everyone laughed.

      Everyone, that is, except Forest fans.

      Sean Oā€™Driscoll had a reputation for plain speaking and for football that was both pragmatic and pleasing to the eye ā€“ characteristics that will always sit well on the red sides of both the Trent and Stanley Park.

      His Doncaster teams had always punched above their weight, often at the City Ground.

      And best of all, his arrival as first team coach that January ā€“ at a time when weā€™d been playing our worst football for several generations ā€“ had been the catalyst that turned our season around and spared us another relegation to League One.

      It was a forward-thinking appointment from an owner who had promised to rebuild the club properly rather than simply throwing money at it until it got promoted.

      The early signs were good. Results ranged from good to patchy but the progress from the previous season was immense.

      Then came Boxing Day 2012. Oā€™Driscoll was viewing the video analysis of a stirring win over Leeds United when he was told he neednā€™t bother. Sacked after 24 league games. ā€œOh, so weā€™ve got THAT kind of wealthy foreign owner,ā€ came the response. We were seventh, a point off the play-offs.

      ā€œHe can count himself unlucky,ā€ said Al-Hasawi. ā€œYou can say that again,ā€ replied the fans.

      So itā€™s difficult to judge him as a manager. Given the lack of progress since that fateful Boxing Day, hindsight has him leading us to a third European Cup win.

      Back in reality, Oā€™Driscoll failed to plug the holes in a sinking Bristol City and hasnā€™t managed at club level since November 2013.

      But what we do know ā€“ and what Brendan Rodgers also knows ā€“ is that heā€™s a positive, progressive and popular coach.

      His former players ā€“ such as second-tier goal machine Billy Sharp, who followed him from Doncaster to Forest ā€“ have only kind things to say about him.

      And YouTube-friendly meltdowns aside, heā€™s earned a reputation for being honest and approachable.

      Just donā€™t expect Mourinho-style attention-seeking, Allardyce-esque fireworks or Redknapp-along cliches.

      Maybe Sean Oā€™Driscoll wasnā€™t cut out for the spotlight but behind the scenes, Liverpool have got themselves a good ā€˜un.

      Football - Nottingham Forest v West Bromwich Albion Pre Season Friendly - The City Ground - 10/8/12 Nottingham Forest manager Sean O'Driscoll Credit: Action Images / Carl Recine
      SARAH-JANE HONEYWELL, BRISTOL CITY FAN, FORMER PROGRAMME WRITER

      He really wasnā€™t that popular at City, as we were bottom of the league - and points mean everything to fans. I think he did have the respect of the players there - in fact I know he did - and Iā€™m sure his tactics will be perfect technically. Iā€™m sure his gameplan will be well researched for each team the Reds face, but as for actual tactics, I really donā€™t know.

      I think heā€™s much better suited as a coach as thatā€™s where heā€™s better regarded, but I honestly donā€™t know what Liverpool fans can expect from him next season.

      The season he was at Bristol City was a bit lacklustre and Iā€™ve even chatted to a few fans to double check - and most checked out mid-season and canā€™t remember much apart from a lack of points!

      However, the Premier League is a completely different arena and if the players respect you and want to work hard for you that can be a season changer. Iā€™m an optimist and say support is needed for him from the first game of the season. I truly believe the fans are the 12th player!

      Sean O'Driscoll at Bristol City
      PAUL BINNING, BRISTOL CITY FAN, OWNER OF EXILED ROBIN

      Initially, he was perceived very well by our fans. He had a reputation for playing neat, possession-based football and had done well at Bournemouth and Doncaster previously. He came in when we were all but down from the Championship, having attempted a hugely flawed big spending strategy which failed and had declined for thee straight years. His remit following relegation was to stabilise us in League One whilst cutting the budget significantly. He bought into that, the fans bought into the new world and all was dandy. Then the season started.

      A combination of some poor luck, players seriously lacking confidence and the lack of balance in certain areas of the side combined to leave us without a win until October, and despite a little pick up, when we were still second-bottom in late November, the Board had enough.

      By this point fans were split, some feeling sorry for him and saying he hadnā€™t had time and had been hung out to dry for implanting the Boardā€™s plans, but many others saying he was a bit of a joke and one of our worst managers ever.

      The truth, as ever, is probably somewhere in between, but ultimately the young, untried players he had to bring in on the new budgets just didnā€™t quite click initially and without the confidence of a couple of early wins, just appeared to be in free fall.

      Incidentally, four or five of that poor-looking, relegation threatened side have just starred in our League One title winning season, alongside 5/6 additions Sean would never have been allowed to spend the money on.

      He generally went 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 but isnā€™t a big one for formations. He just wants players to think about where the game is going and make sure theyā€™re in the right position.

      Bristol City manager Sean O'Driscoll
      Generally the style was possession-based, passing football, which at times was fantastic, but without the quality of defenders to bring the ball out, or enough pace and creativity in the midfield, too often we just passed it around the back for ages, then eventually hoofed it up to their centre-halves once the players ran out of patience.

      He absolutely looks more of a coach rather than a manager. If you look at his win percentage (todayā€™s gospel in the Sky Sports News driven media!) and media/fan persona at City they were both way off the required mark but he needs neither as a coach.

      Heā€™s not one for sound bytes and saying what fans want to hear, he just wants to be honest but that doesnā€™t always come across well. Away from the spotlight, not needing to face up to the camera, he can concentrate on what heā€™s good at - coaching, giving players a football education and encouraging them to think about their game. Developing players minds, getting them to think about their options and make the right decisions on the pitch is more important to him than developing their skills and he seems to be aligned with Brendan Rodgers on that philosophy.

      Liverpool fans shouldnā€™t expect much from him in the dugout. Heā€™s a thoughtful, principled and philosophical manager, not a ranter and raver.

      As manager he was never animated - probably a big part of the reason many fans turned off him quickly once results didnā€™t arrive. Itā€™s an area he let himself down a bit on in my view and in over thirty years watching City Iā€™ve never known the fans not applaud the manager on his walk to the dugout prior to a game. We just stopped bothering because he never bothered acknowledging, but then he never saw that as the job. He was just interesting in developing the players.

      Many saw that as a lack of passion and it counted against him big time.


      Source: the echo, sorry can't post link as I'm on my phone but it's verbatim.
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      Re: Liverpool's New Back Room - Your Choice
      Reply #496: Jul 01, 2015 09:47:49 am
      really interesting this appointment of sean. I know a fair bit about him living in sunny Donny and my son has been a season ticket holder for 15years
      To sum him up he made a team of lower league players , play some unbelievable passing stuff that any premier team would be proud of.
      he is a coach and loves coaching players and really shines with the man management.
      his weakness is media . he can't stand the media game and comes over very stand offish in press conferences but that doesn't mean he doesn't know his stuff, he just doesn't want the bullshit of the press and TV.
      I hope he does really well and if we start making big leaps forward in our play, look no further than Sean for the reason. he was and is a top man.

      Nice one mate thanks for posting.

      Seems there's a few on here who would prefer to see Joey Essex given the job because he is a "name"
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      Reply #497: Jul 01, 2015 09:54:49 am
      Seems there's a few on here who would prefer to see Joey Essex given the job because he is a "name"

      Could work, put the little c**t behind the goal and get him to smile at every oppo attack.
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      Reply #498: Jul 01, 2015 09:59:03 am
      Could work, put the little c**t behind the goal and get him to smile at every oppo attack.

      Or use him for target practice!

      Thanks for posting your article too - more useful information.

      The last line points out exactly what will happen every time we lose a match though - it wil be blamed on a "lack of passion" as though elite sports are won by those who shout the loudest and who jump up and down the most.
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      Reply #499: Jul 01, 2015 11:47:02 am
      Looks like this is pretty much all done and dusted and will be offical by the end of the week
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      Reply #500: Jul 01, 2015 11:49:45 am
      I had to google Joey Essex to find out who he is.
      Now I'm sorry I did.
      Surely that much stupid in one place should disrupt the space time continuum or something.
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      Reply #501: Jul 01, 2015 12:54:18 pm
      I had to google Joey Essex to find out who he is.
      Now I'm sorry I did.
      Surely that much stupid in one place should disrupt the space time continuum or something.

      It does but I equal out don'tcha know.  ;)
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      Reply #502: Jul 01, 2015 01:01:30 pm
      i think we could even slip a DoF into the mix so that BR and O'driscoll can focus on coaching and managing the team as i dont think tranfers and all that other stuff is BR strong point he's a great coach and man manager but not the best in the business side of things. bring in a director to take that pressure off him, BR tells the Director i want a player who is a,b,c d go out and find me 3 options.
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      Reply #503: Jul 01, 2015 01:07:17 pm
      i think we could even slip a DoF into the mix so that BR and O'driscoll can focus on coaching and managing the team

      I think we may well already have in a way with Gordon stepping in.

      I'm thinking he'll do it himself for a while assisted by Fallows and Hunter while we search for and appoint a DoF.
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      Reply #504: Jul 01, 2015 01:44:06 pm
      I think we may well already have in a way with Gordon stepping in.

      I'm thinking he'll do it himself for a while assisted by Fallows and Hunter while we search for and appoint a DoF.
      He's done ok so far might be worth him staying in that role
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      Reply #505: Jul 01, 2015 09:20:34 pm
      Despite all my initial fears (which ultimately leads to emotional calls) a couple of nights ago when O Driscoll was mentioned, reading up on him more, I have to say I'll eat a good dose of humble pie and admit he does look fairly handy.

      Despite the initial backlash - mainly from seeing the opinions of Bristol City fans which seem particularly wayward in comparison to the others - the other clubs he has managed all seem to have favourable opinions towards him. I believe he was sacked by Forest after winning 4-1, resulting in dressing room discontent when the owners made their move, and many are of the opinion that he wasn't given nearly any time to implement his methods.

      Perhaps he's not a manager, but neither is Rene Meulensteen, and if O Driscoll's methods are closer to our desired style, then on balance, it was right to go for O' Driscoll. If we were to hire a coach of similar philosophy, then I still would easily have gone for Ian Cathro.

      I still think we missed an opportunity in hiring the impressive young Scot as he had the desired continental experience I wished for, but nonetheless, O' Driscoll is experienced and he is much much much preferable than hiring an ex-player as the assistant. Best of luck to him.

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